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papilio
04-09-2012, 04:52 PM
Advan lent me a Latrodectus hesperus sling to photograph ... a female I'm told, and a sibling of Beth's slings. Not the most obedient photo subjects!

These were taken with a Raynox dcr-250 attached to a Tokina 100mm Macro lens.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7120/7019166739_2beb8a160e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7019166739/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7019166739/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7083/7019167191_bbd15e3ea2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7019167191/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7019167191/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/6873062264_86082fe8c5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6873062264/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6873062264/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

Not entirely satisfied with the amount of detail I was getting, I ordered a Raynox msn-202, providing 3 times the magnification of the previous setup. Very nice, the sling now filled more than a third of the frame!
The neon-legged aliens were photographed on a blue-tinted CD so that the strobe would reflect back up and fill the translucent legs with a color to contrast rather nicely with the pretty yellow abdomen.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5232/6898633136_275d6423a6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6898633136/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6898633136/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/7044729097_942e73b509_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044729097/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044729097/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5032/7044730039_0e02abee6c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044730039/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044730039/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7247/7044730935_8f214a8470_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044730935/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044730935/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7241/6898636818_2a4634b0a5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6898636818/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6898636818/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5450/6898637562_399d292db3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6898637562/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6898637562/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7272/7044733341_cc4ae2fd8f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044733341/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/7044733341/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

Hopefully Beth will let me kidnap one of her babies next, I love the stripes on their abdomens!

***Beth***
04-09-2012, 04:56 PM
As always I LOVE your pictures! You've got it! I'll bring them to the next meetup. :) At least 2 of mine has stripes on them. I'm very interested to see these in a few molts.

JumpSpidersInc
04-09-2012, 05:00 PM
papilio, simply stunning photos! I like your shooting style! LOL, Beth will happily loan you a baby... right, Beth????? ;)

Also, papilio... visit this thread... http://www.tarantulasus.com/showthread.php/67-New-Introduce-yourself-here!!!/page15

I look forward to getting to know you.

JumpSpidersInc
04-09-2012, 05:01 PM
.... and of course Beth beat me to posting... LOL

Scoolman
04-09-2012, 05:03 PM
Awesome!

widowman10
04-09-2012, 05:56 PM
hmm, pretty sure it'll take a few more molts to tell sex.

those are some great photos though, i love em!

zumbul91
04-09-2012, 07:19 PM
awesome photos :TShock:
thank you for sharing

papilio
04-09-2012, 07:19 PM
As always I LOVE your pictures! You've got it! I'll bring them to the next meetup. :) At least 2 of mine has stripes on them. I'm very interested to see these in a few molts.

Thanks Beth! And I look forward to getting some shots of your slings, can't wait to see how they look 'under the microscope' ! LOL

Sorry btw that it took me a while to reply ... there was another widow photo which Chad said was his favorite, but by the time I saw that message I had already deleted it from flickr (also therefore AB) because of some annoying posterizing in the bokeh. Just finished remastering it from the RAW file.


Awesome!
Thanks a lot Scoolman! :D


hmm, pretty sure it'll take a few more molts to tell sex.

those are some great photos though, i love em!
Thanks widowman! :)
What do you think about the stripes on Beth's slings? We were thinking that the significant difference in appearance between hers and the one I was lent might be sexual dimorphism.


awesome photos :TShock:
thank you for sharing
Thank you zumbul!


papilio, simply stunning photos! I like your shooting style! LOL, Beth will happily loan you a baby... right, Beth????? ;)

Also, papilio... visit this thread... http://www.tarantulasus.com/showthread.php/67-New-Introduce-yourself-here!!!/page15

I look forward to getting to know you.
Thank you JSI!
I already have the feeling I'm going to like this forum way more than AB ... it seems so much more personable ... Nice place! :D


Here's the widow pic which I was working on ...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6916514630_8b49ec68c5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6916514630/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6916514630/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

JSI, assuming that means you're into jumpers? lol Here's one I took quickly which just happened to come across my desk one evening. Not so impressive compared to many of the spectacular jumper macros, but I can def see why they're so fascinating to photograph!

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6217/6269073998_2dd60cddb6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6269073998/)
You never forget your first jumper... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6269073998/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

widowman10
04-09-2012, 07:23 PM
hey papilio, typically males can be distinguished from females as early as 3rd instar by observing palp width! not sure what instar your little sling is though. check this out, there's some stuff about distinguishing sexes in there somewhere.


https://sites.google.com/site/widowman10/widows/comparison-of-the-north-american-widow-species

papilio
04-09-2012, 07:32 PM
hey papilio, typically males can be distinguished from females as early as 3rd instar by observing palp width! not sure what instar your little sling is though. check this out, there's some stuff about distinguishing sexes in there somewhere.


https://sites.google.com/site/widowman10/widows/comparison-of-the-north-american-widow-species

Thanks for the link widowman, really interesting ... and incredible about sexing by palp width!!
Under the description of hesperus males it speaks of abdominal stripes ... even at this early age, do you think that could be what Beth has been referring to? Just curious. ;)

Beth, you believe these to be 2nd instar, am I remembering that correctly?

widowman10
04-09-2012, 07:50 PM
i don't think i would look at dorsal patterns at 2nd instar, that might be a bit early. they are usually not sexually dimorphic til much later.

advan
04-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Thanks for bringing the eye pic back to life Michael! Sweet Jumper shot! :D

JumpSpidersInc
04-09-2012, 08:04 PM
Widowman! :hug:

Great to see you! :)

Question about this: when the male slings start showing signs of enlarged palps, do their markings differ from females that early? I have not seen pics of a young male L. hesperus.

JumpSpidersInc
04-09-2012, 08:09 PM
Apparently I missed part of the thread... had to backtrack to see what I missed! :TBlush:

Wait, what's this? "not so impressive"?????? I beg to differ, sir... that is a fantastic shot of the jumper! :TBounce:

Awesome, just awesome!!! :)

widowman10
04-09-2012, 08:17 PM
Widowman! :hug:

Great to see you! :)

Question about this: when the male slings start showing signs of enlarged palps, do their markings differ from females that early? I have not seen pics of a young male L. hesperus.


great to see you too!!! ;)

hmmm, i do not believe their markings are any different at 3rd instar. i believe the palps are only barely discernable then anyway (you need a microscope and micro measuring device!). can't say that with 100% certainty though, but i believe that to be the case.

papilio
04-09-2012, 08:22 PM
i don't think i would look at dorsal patterns at 2nd instar, that might be a bit early. they are usually not sexually dimorphic til much later.
K, thanks widowman! I don't know of any T which becomes dimorphic till at least 4th instar, but as far as widows I'm a 100% noob!!


Thanks for bringing the eye pic back to life Michael! Sweet Jumper shot! :D
Thanks Chad! :D
LOL of course I couldn't let your fave die like that! Just took me a while to get around to fixing it. ;)


Apparently I missed part of the thread... had to backtrack to see what I missed! :TBlush:

Wait, what's this? "not so impressive"?????? I beg to differ, sir... that is a fantastic shot of the jumper! :TBounce:

Awesome, just awesome!!! :)
Really? Thanks!! :D LOL It's just that there are so many on flickr which are 100x as good! ;)

ManlyMan7
04-09-2012, 09:08 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7196/6916514630_8b49ec68c5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6916514630/)
Latrodectus hesperus sling, 1.5mm legspan, 'Black Widow' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6916514630/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6217/6269073998_2dd60cddb6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6269073998/)
You never forget your first jumper... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/_papilio/6269073998/) by _papilio (http://www.flickr.com/people/_papilio/), on Flickr

Oh WOW! These are to AWESOME shots!

Amazing photography there my friend.

More please! :TAngel:

***Beth***
04-09-2012, 09:20 PM
Michael, I think my widows look different because they are a molt or two past Chads. I've been feeding them a lot and they've molted at least twice with me. I think I was mistaken because the one I thought was female lacked the stripes but gained them after a molt.

papilio
04-10-2012, 05:22 PM
Michael, I think my widows look different because they are a molt or two past Chads. I've been feeding them a lot and they've molted at least twice with me. I think I was mistaken because the one I thought was female lacked the stripes but gained them after a molt.

Ah, okay ... thanks Beth! Mine (Chad's) hasn't molted yet, I've been feeding pretty slowly (sliced and diced roaches), but maybe it will soon so I can get some shots with stripes (or maybe it still won't have them). About what's the legspan of yours?

papilio
04-10-2012, 05:26 PM
Oh WOW! These are to AWESOME shots!

Amazing photography there my friend.

More please! :TAngel:

Thanks a lot ManlyMan!! :D

I just finished adding some to my photo thread.

Robyn@TRR
04-11-2012, 09:32 PM
I had to register and post about how beautiful these pics are. I don't know jack about arachnids or inverts, but in our adventures at The Reptile Report, we keep getting great threads from TarantulasUS, including these amazing picture threads, and I am really enjoying them.

It seems that invert keepers have photo skills that are heads and tails above reptile folks. Just wow.

I look forward to more!

Robyn at TheReptileReport

***Beth***
04-11-2012, 09:34 PM
Ah, okay ... thanks Beth! Mine (Chad's) hasn't molted yet, I've been feeding pretty slowly (sliced and diced roaches), but maybe it will soon so I can get some shots with stripes (or maybe it still won't have them). About what's the legspan of yours?

My biggest has a legspan of 5mm and a body length of 2mm. I just measured today.

papilio
04-12-2012, 01:18 AM
I had to register and post about how beautiful these pics are. I don't know jack about arachnids or inverts, but in our adventures at The Reptile Report, we keep getting great threads from TarantulasUS, including these amazing picture threads, and I am really enjoying them.

It seems that invert keepers have photo skills that are heads and tails above reptile folks. Just wow.

I look forward to more!

Robyn at TheReptileReport
Thank you Robyn, very generous of you! I just joined here, so all that you've been seeing has of course come from the many other great photographers here on the forum, but I'm happy that you enjoyed the widow pics!


My biggest has a legspan of 5mm and a body length of 2mm. I just measured today.
Wow Beth, that's HUGE!! :D I'd better start power-feeding!

Pixiestix4e
04-12-2012, 01:28 PM
wow!!! gorgeous shots!!! really really love the jumper ^.^ pretty colors!!!

papilio
04-12-2012, 01:34 PM
wow!!! gorgeous shots!!! really really love the jumper ^.^ pretty colors!!!
Thanks Casey! :D Those were a lot of fun to shoot ... even though enormously frustrating, running everywhere! I'll never complain about photographing fast pokie slings again!! ;)